Episode 327
Episode 327: Unveiling the Truth: Healthcare Inequities for Black Mothers
This episode delves into the critical and urgent maternal health crisis faced by Black women in the United States, who experience pregnancy-related mortality at a rate three times higher than their white counterparts. We explore the systemic issues that contribute to this disparity, including racial biases within the healthcare system that lead to inadequate treatment and dismissal of pain reported by Black pregnant women. Our discussion also highlights the recent expansions in postpartum Medicaid coverage and the growing acceptance of midwifery for Black women, signaling a potential shift in how maternal healthcare is approached. However, we question whether these changes are sufficient to combat the deeply entrenched systemic racism that pervades medical care. Through this conversation, we aim to illuminate the urgent need for reform and advocate for equitable healthcare practices that honor the lives and experiences of all women, particularly those from marginalized communities.
Takeaways:
- This episode discusses the alarming maternal health crisis faced by Black women in the United States, highlighting disparities in treatment and mortality rates compared to their white counterparts.
- The hosts emphasize the systemic issues that contribute to inadequate healthcare for Black women during pregnancy, including racism and insufficient medical support.
- Various solutions to improve postpartum care for Black mothers are examined, including Medicaid expansions and access to midwives, but significant gaps remain.
- The conversation delves into broader societal implications of these healthcare disparities, questioning whether there is a systematic effort to undermine Black families and communities.
- The hosts also share personal experiences and observations regarding the treatment of Black women in healthcare settings, emphasizing the need for advocacy and better practices.
- The podcast ultimately calls for greater awareness and action to address the urgent healthcare needs of Black women, urging listeners to become advocates for change.
Transcript
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Speaker C:A lot of these broke white Republicans don't necessarily like the rich white Republicans making all this money, but you know what they like.
Speaker C:You know what?
Speaker C:We don't like black people either.
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Speaker B:It's Rubin, Mo B.
Speaker B:And on the ones and twos, ag Foreign.
Speaker A:Welcome everyone to a brand new episode of five minute warning.
Speaker A:Of course, as always, is your man Reuben in the house tonight?
Speaker A:And you know, we about to do it how we do it, when we do it and of course always is with, with me is my cousin ag.
Speaker B:What's happening, y'?
Speaker A:All?
Speaker B:How you doing?
Speaker A:Oh, man, things are great, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's great.
Speaker A:But you know, I think it's, I think this show is pretty important.
Speaker A:So I want to go ahead and jump into it and just let's talk a little bit because today we're going to talk about something pretty, pretty serious.
Speaker A:We've never really talked about it on the show.
Speaker A:It might have been mentioned once or twice or something like that, but we want to really get into it.
Speaker A:So first of all, if you didn't know, you know, black women, United States face urgent maternal health crisis, you know, experiencing pregnancy related mortality at the three times the rate of white women.
Speaker A:You know, for whatever reason, when they go to hospitals and stuff, people, you know, the doctors are just like, well, you know, you say you're in pain, but I don't think you're in pain.
Speaker A:You know, they just really don't treat black women, pregnant black women, as well as pregnant white women or anybody else for that reason.
Speaker A:Don't know why.
Speaker A:I don't know if it's just some racist stuff or whatever, whatever.
Speaker A:Now they have made some changes to that, such as Medicaid has expanded it expanded postpartum Medicaid coverage for 60 days to a full year.
Speaker A:So Yes.
Speaker A:A woman.
Speaker A:A black woman gets pregnant and they have a child, hey, guess what?
Speaker A:We got you for 60 days, get for two months.
Speaker A:After that, you on your own kind of bullshit.
Speaker A:Is that, like, it is crazy.
Speaker A:Like a whole bunch of other things they've done.
Speaker A:Like, black women can get midwives now.
Speaker A:Because apparently back in the day, that wasn't a thing.
Speaker A:And so today, you know, the question, we want to really jump into it, jump into it hard, and we'll have ag, Leah, today, is poor health care for African American women during pregnancy have that subtext for systemic extension?
Speaker A:Are they actually trying to get with.
Speaker A:Get rid of black women so they can't have any more kids?
Speaker A:So, ag, like, I'm gonna let you go ahead, start with this because this is deep, bro.
Speaker A:This is some.
Speaker A:This is some real deep stuff, and I appreciate you bringing it to.
Speaker A:To the show's attention.
Speaker A:So let's have a conversation about it.
Speaker B:Well, you're welcome, sir.
Speaker B:I think listening to certain outlets, especially certain shows that are female dominated, you hear things that you generally don't hear as a dude, or you hear things that generally are not mainstream.
Speaker B:So when you get in these spaces, they throw stuff at you.
Speaker B:It's just like, what.
Speaker B:You know, it's there, but you really don't know what's there because you can't get pregnant.
Speaker B:I think that.
Speaker B:I think that's one of the.
Speaker B:It's like being white and an ally.
Speaker B:You think you know, but you really don't know.
Speaker B:And then it gets really uncomfortable really fast.
Speaker B:So you hear a lot of this stuff and you're just like, I just had no idea.
Speaker B:So the last couple years or so, you know, I've been hearing it and been exposed to it.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:For me, like, last week kind of dawned on me that it's not only the systemic racism that has the legacy.
Speaker B:That legacy is really important because.
Speaker B:Because the way women were treated in slavery is not that far off than the way they're treated now.
Speaker B:Meaning that you generally treat something that you don't think is human.
Speaker B:Like, they're not human.
Speaker B:Pain toleration is higher, which it's not gaslighting for disease or creating a narrative that says that you are diseased in a way in which no one else is.
Speaker B:Those are two big factors, because the studies show that women in America, Black women in America do have certain diseases that, you know, go along that correlate to their race.
Speaker B:But black people in Africa don't have these things going on.
Speaker B:So then you have to question all the systems that Put people in a situation, situation in which they can't get real food.
Speaker B:There's, you know, they have, they have food deserts.
Speaker B:They have medical deserts.
Speaker B:They have, they have, they don't have any doctors that look like them.
Speaker B:They don't have any doctors that at least from the skin color looks like them.
Speaker B:So you have all these things working against you.
Speaker B:But for me, I went like the mo B route, which is always go deeper.
Speaker B:So I was like, well, wait a minute.
Speaker B:Couldn't this be like a, like a quiet plan to put black people, black babies on the path to extinction from inside the womb or soon after?
Speaker B:Because if you get the moms in a bad way, from a health standpoint, they have a good chance of having a baby that's not healthy, having a pregnancy that's not a good one, then that leads to death in pregnancy.
Speaker B:That leads to, you know, having issues after the fact.
Speaker B: f I'm white and I'm a project: Speaker B:Because again, for any woman, pregnancy is not.
Speaker B:Pregnancy is kind of dangerous.
Speaker B:It's traumatic to start with.
Speaker B:Even if you have the best care, things can happen.
Speaker B:But wouldn't it be cool if I could kill both or if I could hamper both for the short term or the long term or extinct forever?
Speaker B:That means all the white women out there that have choices have a head start or they keep their head start.
Speaker B:And when they make choices, we don't necessarily lose, like when white, because that's a problem.
Speaker B:Abortion was really built on white women having choices not to have a family or not to have kids.
Speaker B:And so they were afraid that black women and non black women or non white women would be having babies at a stronger rate, which would lessen their numbers from a percentage wise, which kind of worked out that way.
Speaker B:So again, my, my thing with this particular question is, can you use this to destroy black women at the root from a reproductive standpoint?
Speaker B:Do you think that is what's going on?
Speaker B:Because when I look at it, I feel like that's part of it.
Speaker B:Now don't get me wrong, there is legacy with this because if you think that racial problems begin and be like they stop at the, the hospital doors, like doctors aren't like racist.
Speaker B:That's not true.
Speaker B:So if you're racist as a doctor and if you're racist as a female doctor, which is even more diabolical to Me, with respect to what we're talking about, I'm like, you have to consider.
Speaker B:But at the same time I feel like passively, this is a great way to try to hinder a race of people.
Speaker B:At the root, it's almost like making us eat seedless fruit and vegetables.
Speaker B:Once you eat that fruit or vegetable, you can't plant anymore.
Speaker B:The seeds are gone.
Speaker B:So that means if I can re engineer that or if I have another plan going, I control you.
Speaker B:I control what you eat and how you eat and how much of you eat.
Speaker B:So it's kind of the same thing.
Speaker B:Diabolical work.
Speaker B:Now my question to y' all was, do you think it runs that deep?
Speaker B:Because for me it kind of does.
Speaker B:So it's not only the racial aspect, which is, you know, clear and present, but the byproduct of that is we can get them at the root.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So the first thing I would say is, you know, I don't think we could put anything past anybody.
Speaker A:You know, there's no doubt in my mind.
Speaker A:I mean, because history has shown we've had people in the past who have looked to obliterate races and you know, communities and all of that.
Speaker A:So I, I wouldn't put anything past anybody.
Speaker A:I mean, you know, obviously one of the most famous ones, Adolf Hitler, I mean his, he wanted to eliminate all Jews on the planet.
Speaker A:You know, that was, that was his goal, to take over the planet so he can eliminate all Jewish people and everybody who does it literally look like what he called the, the most perfect white man, even though he didn't look like that.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So you know that I would say that there's always possibilities.
Speaker A: I personally not read Project: Speaker A:So I think before we need to, we need to go to a couple definitions.
Speaker A:Well, first of all, first of all, walk a movie.
Speaker B:What's up?
Speaker A:So food deserts right now, if we're going to talk about stuff, we need to go ahead and educate people on it properly.
Speaker A:And so a food desert basically is a location that does not have immediate access to like fresh food or affordable food or even nutritious food such as, you know, most, a lot of, a lot of counties in different locations, low income communities or whatever.
Speaker A:Like if you go to a store and they don't have fresh food, technically that's part of a food desert.
Speaker A:Like, and I'm not trying to call nobody no stores out saying that y' all not doing the dirty dirty or whatever, but like if you're in the middle of Southampton County, I'll say that because I have family in Southampton county.
Speaker A:And you see family dollar, they have food there, but they don't have fruit there.
Speaker A:You know, so.
Speaker A:And the quote, unquote, nutritious food is usually frozen or anything like that.
Speaker A:So technically that would be considered a food desert because that.
Speaker A:Those family, those locations are located in areas in which, you know, you need food there, but they don't have fresh food there.
Speaker A:You know, they don't have food that like fruit.
Speaker A:Like, hey, man, when it's all said, then I can see and say, I don't eat a ton of fruit, you know, but there are a lot of places where there's no fruit and kids don't get fruit and stuff like that.
Speaker A:So that's what makes the school system and the free lunch program so important and the summer lunch program in certain areas so important because they get a lot of fresh food, especially during the summer in places where you don't have access to that.
Speaker A:So just a quick definition on that.
Speaker A:But, yeah, I mean, you know, if you want to take out.
Speaker A:Take out a group of people,.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker A:Got to take out the reproductive part of it.
Speaker A:And I don't understand how.
Speaker A:Well, you know, I'm in pain, doctor.
Speaker A:Now, you're not really that much pain.
Speaker A:I mean, what, like you're a woman having birth, you know, having pregnancy.
Speaker A:The white woman's in pain or the Chinese woman's in pain, but the black woman ain't paying.
Speaker A:Like, what kind of bullshit is that?
Speaker A:So, so yes, I would definitely say, you know, for some people in some places, yeah, is definitely a racial situation with that.
Speaker A:And of course they are.
Speaker A:You know, as you mentioned earlier, you know, black women do have a higher chance of getting things like gestational diabetes and other diseases and stuff like that, other thing, other sicknesses during their pregnancy.
Speaker A:And so it's real foul that when it's all said and done, if you go to the wrong.
Speaker A:If a black woman goes to the wrong doctor, that can get jacked up very quickly.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But I will also say I don't have any kids.
Speaker A:So I've never gone through anything like that.
Speaker A:So what.
Speaker A:I'm gonna kind of going to pass it to Moby because he has children.
Speaker A:I don't know if he's got, you know, his wife has gone through anything like this.
Speaker A:But, like, you know, I can't sit here and I can say what I think, but I can't sit here and say I've had any experience.
Speaker A:One Way or the other.
Speaker A:So I, like I said, I'm going to pass it to Moby and see what opinions that he has on this subject.
Speaker C:Well, I guess I'm gonna try to stay as close to the question as possible.
Speaker C:Short answer, ag is yes, but I don't think it is simply a conspiratorial plan by the man to eliminate black people through reproductive things.
Speaker C:I think every system in place is designed to eliminate black people, and that's just one part of it.
Speaker C:So I don't think.
Speaker C:I don't think anybody has one to basically make it that much harder for black and brown people.
Speaker C:I think everything comes back to that.
Speaker C:And in the context of what you're talking about in the medical thing, yeah, it's this.
Speaker C:And Nikki actually put a book up there, which I don't know the book, but I've heard of the book.
Speaker C:Somebody was referring to that book before one of my classes when I was in school.
Speaker C:But literally, I have my own theory of about it, and I said it several times up here.
Speaker C:The most protective class in our country is typically white women.
Speaker C:So when white women go to the hospital, it pains the doctor to see a white woman complaining about pain.
Speaker C:They don't share that same pain about seeing black women in pain, because whether they want to say it out loud or whether they all feel like it, I don't think it's a matter of all doctors feel that way, but enough of them just don't have natural inclination to have so much more empathy for black women.
Speaker C:So it you.
Speaker C:I've been in the hospital with my wife, and I've seen other patients, other women, and I see doctors and nurses bending over backwards to make sure that that white woman is as comfortable as possible.
Speaker C:And I've seen us have to go above, get a nurse practice, get the.
Speaker C:The supervising nurse on the floor to come in to talk.
Speaker C:Because people have tried to dismiss things that the women in my family were talking about.
Speaker C:And yeah, a lot of people can say it's my opinion, but like, man, somebody who's been in the hospital a lot, I see the treatment is different.
Speaker C:And I'm not saying it's all of them, but like I said, it's just.
Speaker C:I think a lot of people, I mean, we see this in all aspects.
Speaker C:Like when a black girl goes missing, it doesn't make the news.
Speaker C:If a white girl goes missing, oh my God, frees the whole city.
Speaker C:We gotta find her.
Speaker C:And I'm not saying that we shouldn't care, but I just wish it felt balanced.
Speaker C:I Wish it seemed like everybody mattered, but just based on our reaction to things, it doesn't matter.
Speaker C:The food desert thing, you said Southampton County.
Speaker A:Well, cool.
Speaker C:Petersburg is a food desert.
Speaker C:Where my grandma lives there is like, she has to go to the opposite side of town to a grocery store or she has to go to a different city to find a grocery store with produce.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean.
Speaker C:And everybody knows what color Petersburg predominantly is.
Speaker B:Put W. Brown, put her comment on it.
Speaker B:This is, like, intense.
Speaker B:Put that on there.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:Which I don't even know how you get out of the hospital like that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:W. Brown said, they sent me home after birth and I could have died.
Speaker A:They didn't stitch me up, and they closed me with tape.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker C:That is absolutely.
Speaker C:What happened.
Speaker C:We had literally had to.
Speaker C:I'm looking.
Speaker C:I'm like, hey, we gotta go back.
Speaker C:We gotta go back to the hospital.
Speaker C:Even better.
Speaker C:When.
Speaker C:When.
Speaker C:When Cadence was born, she had.
Speaker C:She had an operation right afterwards my wife.
Speaker C:And so, of course, we had already had a one year old.
Speaker C:So after she gives birth to Cadence, it's been like 24 hours.
Speaker C:Almost 24 hours.
Speaker C:I go home.
Speaker C:My mom.
Speaker C:Her mom leaves the hospital.
Speaker C:I go home to change clothes.
Speaker C:I come back, I get to her room.
Speaker C:She's not in her room.
Speaker C:So I'm like, hey, where's my wife?
Speaker C:Nobody can tell me where she's at.
Speaker C:I'm going around.
Speaker C:I go to other.
Speaker C:I go to the main desk.
Speaker C:Hey, where's that?
Speaker C:We don't know where she's at.
Speaker C:Two hours later, she comes back.
Speaker C:She had an emergency surgery.
Speaker C:Nobody said anything.
Speaker C:Nobody notified me.
Speaker C:Nobody know.
Speaker C:Nobody knew where she was.
Speaker C:So I'm just walking around the hospital, roaming, talking to people.
Speaker C:Finally, a doctor was like, yeah, let me.
Speaker C:Let me figure out what's going on.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:Oh, she had surgery.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So after, like, two and a half hours of trying to figure out where my wife was, I knew where Cadence was, but I didn't know where she was.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:Wow, that's wild.
Speaker C:And so, in my experience, is it a minority experience?
Speaker C:It's like, I. I know it's not a minority experience.
Speaker A:This don't know what the hell they doing experience.
Speaker C:See, Ruben, it's so much deeper than that because, like, what I can honestly say is, like, we weren't.
Speaker C:I didn't run into people that didn't seem to care.
Speaker C:It seemed like things are designed in a way where the people who are making the decisions are the people who have the least contact with people, because I always Tell you, every time I go to the hospital, I love all the nurses.
Speaker C:The nurses are always awesome.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's the doctor that comes in for 20 seconds and then leaves who's making all the actual calls.
Speaker C:And that's where the disconnect is.
Speaker C:And like I said, when that person comes in the room and they see a woman that looks like my wife and if they see a woman that looks like, you know, blonde hair, blue eyed, stereotypical white woman, she is going to get all of their attention.
Speaker C:My wife is going to get the quickest response so he can get to that next white woman.
Speaker A:Yeah, I want to put this up too.
Speaker A:Nikki put up here.
Speaker A:Fortunately, many physicians are being taught that people of color have different pain tolerances.
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker A:We still use racial profiles even in testing thing so that we don't rule, we rule out to a certain diseases.
Speaker A:Like look man, I, I, I understand the genetic thing, but I mean we, we not.
Speaker A:Look, as a black man, I promise you, I can't leap buildings at a single in a single bound.
Speaker A:I can't sit here and get cut and be like, I don't feel that no hurt.
Speaker A:Hurt.
Speaker A:Like I, I guess that's when some people, it goes back to the whole, you know, depending on who you talk.
Speaker C:To, it goes back to the whole is personal.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Pain tolerance is personal.
Speaker C:Like because I, I can honestly say.
Speaker C:And it's not like a tough guy facade.
Speaker C:I really do have a high threshold for pay.
Speaker C:Like by the time I'm saying something hurts, that hurts.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But see, here's the thing.
Speaker A:Mo B has a high pay tolerance.
Speaker A:Reuben does not all that like, you know, well, depending on where it is, I'll say that.
Speaker A:But yeah, man, when I a paper cut on the take.
Speaker A:Stitch this up, please.
Speaker A:Like so I don't.
Speaker A:The whole pain tellers thing is it's so like stupid.
Speaker B:But it's not if you consider like I told you, legacy is really important.
Speaker B:And I said this before Nikki said what she said before.
Speaker A:Mogo.
Speaker B:I'll say it again.
Speaker B:When you have a legacy of experience, experimentation being done on you and that gets passed down and at this point it's very passive.
Speaker B:It's not active like it was, you know, 400 years ago.
Speaker B:When they're making, you know, when they, when they were done with experimenting with us, they made it, they made our skin out of shoes and furniture coverings and whatnot.
Speaker B:That's not happening that we know of right now.
Speaker B:But the legacy of that type of treatment, that dehumanization is there.
Speaker B:It's still there.
Speaker B:Very present.
Speaker B:Clear and very present.
Speaker B:So that's why it's like when you say you don't understand it.
Speaker B:I agree that you shouldn't have to.
Speaker B:But if you include the legacy of where we come from and how we are treated, that is where.
Speaker B:That is the product of dehumanization.
Speaker B:Because our pain tolerance, like you said, our pain tolerances are good or bad just like everybody else.
Speaker B:Like, Mo can stand a lot.
Speaker B:Maybe I can't, maybe you can't.
Speaker B:Maybe we can stand some things that he can't.
Speaker C:Whatever it is, I'm terrible, empathetic pain.
Speaker C:Like me, I can be in pain fine and cool.
Speaker C:But when I see, like, my wife or other people, like, I'm a wreck seeing other people in pain, I want to.
Speaker C:I don't mind seeing my own blood.
Speaker C:I see somebody else's blood, I'm like, hey, man, I'm getting sick in my stomach.
Speaker C:Like, I don't know what it is.
Speaker C:Like, anything happening to me.
Speaker C:I'm like, hey, you know, it is what it is when shit's happening to other people.
Speaker C:I'm like, hey, hey, hey, hey.
Speaker C:Keep that shit to yourself.
Speaker C:I don't want to see that.
Speaker B:I hear Sam, but does that make you any less human, is what we're talking about?
Speaker C:No, no, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker C:It just, you know, that's.
Speaker B:But to the white community, and we're talking about the medical community, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker B:I mean, like I said before, I don't think that.
Speaker B:I don't think the numbers bear out, that it's a.
Speaker B:It's an active thing.
Speaker B:I think it's.
Speaker B:I think it's a legacy thing that, you know, people have a lot of ties to how they can treat different people.
Speaker B:You know, the expectation is, you black, you can stand it.
Speaker B:I got things to do.
Speaker B:Because this white woman is.
Speaker B:Is dying because she's soft.
Speaker B:I mean, let's call it what it is.
Speaker B:Because my wife is going to get treated a lot better than Mo's wife is on average.
Speaker B:Because if my wife had the hardest time, she had a hard pregnancy, she had a two or three.
Speaker B:I think all her pregnancies were hard in some way.
Speaker B:If that was happening to Winter, bruh, she might not be here because they wouldn't treat it the same.
Speaker C:Oh, the crazy thing is, Ag.
Speaker C:My wife's pregnancies were both terrible.
Speaker C:Like, she had, like, what's called hyperemesis.
Speaker C:Like, she was losing weight during pregnancy.
Speaker C:She couldn't eat for, like, the first two Trimesters, like, it was.
Speaker C:It was one of the reasons, like, people often ask, like, hey, you don't want to try for a boy.
Speaker A:I'm not.
Speaker C:I won't try to put her through that shit again.
Speaker C:Like, nah, man.
Speaker C:We got out with two healthy kids and she was still breathing.
Speaker C:Cool.
Speaker C:Oh, we done?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:When it just put up when I, you know, when she was pregnant, she had two blood cards in her arm and for.
Speaker A:With a picc line.
Speaker A:Hell, I've had two of them.
Speaker A:Well, three, actually.
Speaker C:She had pick line.
Speaker C:I had to inject it with blood thinners.
Speaker C:I had to inject her with blood thinners daily.
Speaker A:She said she had to beg to get an ultrasound.
Speaker A:And after a few days, a black nurse, Nikki.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker A:I don't think it's a Nikki.
Speaker A:That's on our.
Speaker A:You know, that's right now I show.
Speaker A:But she cried and begged her to help me.
Speaker A:She ordered ultrasound and said, yep, you.
Speaker B:Got a blood clot.
Speaker A:Is just like, yo.
Speaker B:I mean, my wife wouldn't have to beg.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, no, you're look.
Speaker A:And that's what I don't get, man.
Speaker A:You're in a hospital, like I just told you, man.
Speaker C:Yeah, I'm a.
Speaker C:But I'm going to say the.
Speaker C:This.
Speaker C:The most infuriating thing about that position is at me.
Speaker C:And I'm be selfish in this moment.
Speaker C:Me, I don't know how I'm supposed to react because my natural inclination is to, like, be really upset and like, start raising hell.
Speaker C:But I know somebody that looks like me.
Speaker C:Especially when she was pregnant, I was like almost £300 at the time.
Speaker C:Large black guy.
Speaker C:Like, I know that would have been an even worse reaction.
Speaker C:So then I've got.
Speaker C:I've got to do the most unnatural thing, which is try to be calm about the situation and talk reasonably to people who are proactively hindering the health of my wife.
Speaker C:But I know they're also the only people that can help her at the moment too.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's a feeling of helplessness that like, yo, I don't wish that helplessness on anybody.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, because the other situation is.
Speaker A:What you don't want to do is piss off the people who are in charge of helping your wife, you know, on a similar stance.
Speaker A:Not the same, but similar.
Speaker A:Just like when you go out to eat, do you really want to piss off the cook?
Speaker C:I mean, Reuben, the pissed off part is a fair point, but how many videos have you seen of black people at hospitals getting loud and they're immediately arrested?
Speaker A:Yeah, that's it?
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker C:Like, ain't nobody.
Speaker C:Ain't nobody.
Speaker C:Consider of the fact that, like, they're going through a stressful situation with loved ones.
Speaker C:You see large black guy start yelling,.
Speaker A:He going to jail, most definitely.
Speaker A:Or he's getting put out the hospital.
Speaker A:One of the two or both, you know, and it's just.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's, it's infuriating all the way around.
Speaker A:And you know, back to the question, you know, is it a racial thing?
Speaker A:And what I said earlier, I think depending on where you are, like, I.
Speaker C:Don't think it depends on where you are.
Speaker C:I think we are, we're kind of past that.
Speaker A:The reason why I say that is like, like, for instance, I would say up here, I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but if I was in Alabama, I probably would go to another state and get help.
Speaker B:Just saying I'm glad that y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker B:Well, I'm glad Reuben brought that up because like Noah said, that's a fair point.
Speaker C:That's a fair point.
Speaker B:I mean, but at the same time, it doesn't matter because the other thing that I have noticed that women tell me through these podcasts I'm listening to is like one woman last week was talking about her particular situation and how respectability politics comes into play.
Speaker B:Because, because it comes, it, it brings about a socioeconomic play that black women try to do that they find out quickly doesn't work.
Speaker B:They think, hey, I'm educated.
Speaker B:I have a M.A.
Speaker B:I have a four year degree or a master's degree or a doctorate degree.
Speaker B:I have money, I have great health care, or I have enough money to give my own, my own person great health care.
Speaker B:I'm golden.
Speaker B:That means that I can be treated better than my brack, my black soror over here, and I'm better than her.
Speaker B:So they think that going in with all of these resources that, that will compel, you know, the white medical community to treat them like a human being.
Speaker B:Now, now I just want to make sure that we're on the same page.
Speaker B:We're just trying to get black women on the level of humanity.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:We're not trying to excel here.
Speaker B:We're trying to catch up to a level playing field.
Speaker B:So they think, think that because I've, I've achieved extraordinary wealth, an extraordinary, you know, station in life, that they automatically gonna say, hey, I saw you had a Bentley outside.
Speaker B:Let me treat you like a human being.
Speaker B:And it does not work.
Speaker B:10 Times out of 10.
Speaker A:Now, I would think it'd be worse.
Speaker B:Well, like most said I just, I have to, you know, I believe all women get the shaft.
Speaker B:And what we're talking about right now, I think all women get the shaft because a lot of doctors are men.
Speaker B:I want to put that out there first.
Speaker B:So that's where we're building from.
Speaker B:So that helps you understand how poorly black women are treated.
Speaker B:Atrociously black women are treated, but as far as the socioeconomic play, that's not a play.
Speaker B:And black women that have resources, that are pregnant or if they have any other ailments that they're trying to deal with, will tell you, you will get into your Bentley sick or dead, period, because they're not going to treat you any better than they would have if you was on welfare.
Speaker B:And you fit.
Speaker B:And you fit all the things in their minds as far as this is what black people are.
Speaker B:So you can't play the respectability politic card because at the end of the day, you still a coon to them.
Speaker B:You're not a black person, you're something less.
Speaker B:You're not a black woman, you're something less.
Speaker B:So I'm glad you brought that up because that was in my notes that you cannot play the money game.
Speaker B:This is, this is just not going to help you.
Speaker A:Yeah, Nikki also wrote that.
Speaker A:That's why she said she understands patients rights and can ask for another nurse or doctor.
Speaker C:You know, I'm gonna tell you, that patient right thing, like, like everybody, you know, people who know, talk about it.
Speaker C:The sad thing is I have like four or five times in my life where we've had to ask for that.
Speaker C:And I feel like that's a terrible number in itself.
Speaker C:The fact that especially.
Speaker C:And this is, this is all personal thing, especially somebody like me if I have to ask for a patience, right?
Speaker C:Because like every nurse that ever was with me was like, you are like the easiest patient.
Speaker C:Because I don't complain about shit.
Speaker C:I don't really be making a big fuss about nothing.
Speaker C:Like, if I asked for that, that means some shit that has just gone so far left that we gotta reboot and start this whole thing over.
Speaker C:Like when I was in the hospital for an entire week because somebody didn't get that one doctor didn't get me off of blood thinning.
Speaker C:So then they had to keep me an entire week so they could do a biopsy on me.
Speaker C:And they were like, well, you didn't get off your blood then because you are putting me on it.
Speaker C:You're the one that gave them to me.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, yeah, it's.
Speaker A:It's yeah, it's wild out here.
Speaker A:W R Brown states that Tatiana Ali, obviously, if you don't know, she played as fresh versus Bel Air, went through labor, her trauma with her first child.
Speaker A:She's a big advocate now.
Speaker A:You would have thought she would have been treated good because she, She's a superstar.
Speaker C:She was a celebrity.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they treat her like half too.
Speaker A:So, like, look, I mean, when it's all said and done, it's like we gotta.
Speaker A:We all have to do better, you know, and making sure that our rights are taken care of.
Speaker A:But especially like, like, if your significant other or your friend it regard.
Speaker A:I mean, yeah, if she's black, yo, you got to make sure they're even doing better.
Speaker A:Like, make sure they're doing it.
Speaker A:At the very least, what they should be doing, you know, because we got.
Speaker C:To make sure everybody doesn't have an advocate.
Speaker C:And, and that's a scary thing.
Speaker C:Like, because even all the bad situations I'm having, I'm like, yo, if we weren't advocating or there wasn't somebody there to advocate, like, I mean, you get what you get.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's.
Speaker A:It's wild out here.
Speaker A:And you know, nobody likes hospitals or reasons such as this because you got people.
Speaker A:Some people.
Speaker A:You just don't know if that's true.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker C:I don't know if nobody likes hospital.
Speaker C:I think some people feel more.
Speaker C:More comfortable in hospitals.
Speaker C:And I guess.
Speaker C:I guess in, in theory you're right.
Speaker C:Nobody wants to necessarily have to go to the hospital.
Speaker C:But I, I do think there's some people who feel a lot more comfortable in the hospital than some.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And there's really some common things about them.
Speaker C:Most of them are white.
Speaker C:Cause like, I don't know any person of color that's like.
Speaker C:It's like.
Speaker C:Feels comfortable in the hospital.
Speaker A:Hell yeah, I'm ready to go to hospital.
Speaker A:Hell no.
Speaker A:Like, that is not even a thought process that's last minute.
Speaker A:I ain't got shit else.
Speaker A:And I, I mean, I'm.
Speaker A:I haven't been to hospital as much as you, Moby, recently, but I've done some time and I ain't trying to be there because that shit's for the birds.
Speaker A:I mean, and I'm not even talking about the financial part.
Speaker A:I'm just talking about freaking being there.
Speaker A:It's the.
Speaker A:It is the worst ever.
Speaker A:But if you gotta go, you gotta go.
Speaker A:The biggest thing is I think that what we can do do from.
Speaker A:From this conversation is make sure that, one, you either advocate yourself for yourself or you have an advocate for you.
Speaker A:And whether that's somebody professional or your significant other.
Speaker A:And definitely, you know, ladies, if you have to go to the hospital for any reason, this whole I'm doing it by myself thing now, you need to make sure you have someone who has your back, you know, to make sure you get the same health care that everybody should get, you know, because, yeah, even we sat here for the last 30 minutes, we've literally talked about.
Speaker A:We've talked about a couple bad things that have happened to some women.
Speaker A:And this is just a tiny, minuscule sample size of what truly goes on in this country.
Speaker A:And we're just talking about pregnancy.
Speaker A:See, we're not talking about anything else.
Speaker A:So, like, we gotta understand that, one, hospitals are there to help us and to help heal us, but doing this by yourself, I mean, take it.
Speaker A:Take it from me, that ain't the move.
Speaker A:And take it from ob that ain't the move ever, you know, so make sure that, you know, if you got to go to hospital, make sure you get taken care of, you know, make sure that you have somebody who's there for you, whether they're there physically or at least they're on the phone.
Speaker A:You just got to have somebody who's got your back.
Speaker A:Because nobody wants to be in a hospital.
Speaker A:Or at least I feel like it's a conversation that none of us want to be in a hospital.
Speaker A:We're there because we have to be be, not because we want to be.
Speaker A:But if we're going to be there, we want to make sure that we're taken care of in the same way everybody else is taken care of.
Speaker A:So with that, I will move on.
Speaker A:And thank you to those who, Nikki and W.R. brown, for.
Speaker A:For talking.
Speaker A:Because, hey, look, when it's all said and done, it's three dudes here talking about.
Speaker A:Yeah, talking about black women in pregnancy, none of which we can't do.
Speaker A:We can't get pregnant, and we can't experience that directly.
Speaker A:So I definitely want to say thank you for your input, because, hey, I mean, all we can do is watch and see what other people go through.
Speaker A:We can't go through this ourselves.
Speaker A:So thank you for your input and appreciate y' all listening to the show today.
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Speaker A:The next thing I want to bring up very quickly.
Speaker A:What is it about sports that makes us less evil or more united?
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker A:Well, otherwise we're more evil and less united.
Speaker A:And I think an example about that is New York City, right?
Speaker A:Right now.
Speaker A:The Snicks won the championship.
Speaker A:Everybody loves everybody.
Speaker A:Yes, yes.
Speaker A:And at this parade, somebody's getting murdered.
Speaker B:And, you know, you still owe me some money.
Speaker A:Pop out.
Speaker A:Exactly right?
Speaker A:Hey, we want a chip, but better have my money, you know, or whatever.
Speaker A:So what is it about sports that brings us together?
Speaker A:Or what is it about sports that makes us further apart?
Speaker A:Mobile.
Speaker A:I'll let you start this one.
Speaker C:I mean, sports don't do anything but make humans humans.
Speaker C:And what I mean by that is, like, it doesn't make us more united.
Speaker C:It doesn't make us more evil.
Speaker C:It just shows us who we are.
Speaker C:And I see that as a youth coach all the time.
Speaker C:I see sports making people act stupid, irrational, and out of control.
Speaker C:And I see what it does for people's lives where it.
Speaker C:It brings them together and unites people who come from different backgrounds for a common goal.
Speaker C:Because the most human thing about us is we always do better when it's us first.
Speaker B:Them.
Speaker C:No matter what, no matter what us is, no matter what them is.
Speaker C:If you.
Speaker C:If you can design something so that there's a us, us and there's a them, us will always unite and we will always hate them.
Speaker C:We see it in all walks of life.
Speaker C:If we can create an us, we can say them and that.
Speaker C:And like you said, the New York fans, like, because people are like, oh, New York's so united.
Speaker C:And all I'm seeing is, like, the clips of, like, them attacking people with spurs jerseys and stuff.
Speaker C:And I'm just like, yeah, this is us versus them.
Speaker C:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker C:This is, hey, we with us, even Even though half of the people in the crowd don't like each other, but they like, hey, he got the other teen jersey on keys of them.
Speaker B:Wait a minute.
Speaker B:That was good.
Speaker B:He's a them.
Speaker C:Yeah, he's a them.
Speaker C:Once you could.
Speaker C:Once you could classify somebody's pronoun as them, they can be your enemy.
Speaker C:Me and.
Speaker C:And the rest of us can unite.
Speaker C:Because you know what?
Speaker C:I don't necessarily like you, but you ain't them.
Speaker C:Them.
Speaker B:Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker C:I mean, but, I mean, that's.
Speaker C:That's our politics right now.
Speaker C:Like, a lot of these broke white Republicans don't necessarily like the rich white Republicans making all this money, but you know what they like?
Speaker C:You know what?
Speaker C:We don't like black people either.
Speaker C:Unite.
Speaker C:We don't fight with them either.
Speaker C:I mean, you know, them brown people get on our nerves, too.
Speaker C:We're us now.
Speaker A:I mean,.
Speaker C:The fact that somebody in the.
Speaker C:In the middle of the country who is impoverished can look at Donald Trump and say, I see myself in him, that means you have established that there is a us and there's a them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And you're saying that he is part of us, which, on the surface, we can't think of anything y' all got in common other than the fact of your skin color and the people you dislike.
Speaker C:Nothing else in common.
Speaker A:Case in point, Kentucky, Missouri.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Ag.
Speaker B:I think that the.
Speaker B:It was game four when the Knicks won, and.
Speaker B:And I don't know Mariska Haggerty's politics.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know anything about her other than she does a TV show and all that.
Speaker B:But what I saw was this white woman hugging on random black people.
Speaker B:And I saw all these people, from a socioeconomic invocation standpoint, dealing with people, they don't even.
Speaker B:They wouldn't.
Speaker B:They live in a different part of town.
Speaker B:I'm seeing people that I know for a factor from Bensonhurst hugging black people.
Speaker B:Like, okay.
Speaker B: And it took me back to: Speaker B:I'm sitting in the movie theater watching do the Right Thing, and one of the things that.
Speaker B:That I remember to this day from this movie movie is the conversation Mookie was having with the eldest son.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he was saying.
Speaker B:He said, you know, basically, he was.
Speaker B:Mookie was like, bro, you don't even like black people.
Speaker B:For real.
Speaker B:I mean, what you talking about?
Speaker B:Magic Johnson.
Speaker B:Magic Johnson.
Speaker B:He ain't, like, for real black.
Speaker C:He ain't black.
Speaker C:He really black.
Speaker A:Magic Johnson, black as they come.
Speaker A:And I'm like, but.
Speaker A:But it made me Think.
Speaker B:And I was like, what is it about sports in particular now?
Speaker B:Music does it too.
Speaker B:Don't get me wrong, it does.
Speaker A:But sports, not as much as sports, exactly.
Speaker B:Like, I see people like, all the times a World cup was on the line, but there were two countries that were against each other on the pitch, that were also fighting a war against each other, where they had a ceasefire to play the match.
Speaker C:Match, play the match.
Speaker B:And I'm like, y' all can learn this out.
Speaker B:To play a 90 minute match for all the money and then go back and kill each other.
Speaker C:I'm like, what are you doing?
Speaker B:I don't understand.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:And it's the most.
Speaker B:For me, it's a phenomenon, man.
Speaker B:It's like, it just begs to be questioned.
Speaker B:Like, you can put away all the.
Speaker B:I mean, all the hate you hold dear here in your body for that moment.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm like, how can you be a Knicks fan where everybody on the court is black?
Speaker B:I mean, they traded away the couple white guys they had and it's just like, how do you differentiate?
Speaker A:I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm.
Speaker B:Proud of the Knicks too.
Speaker B:I was really happy that they won.
Speaker B:But at the same time, I'm sitting here going, isn't it interesting?
Speaker B:These people that have paid $250,000 a seat to sit here and watch this amazing event don't even like the people that are giving them the experience.
Speaker B:The owner of the team doesn't even like the people that is giving him the championship.
Speaker B:And I'm like, I find that interesting.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:James Dillon's up there.
Speaker A:I love everybody.
Speaker A:You hate everybody behind you.
Speaker C:You're right.
Speaker C:They traded the two most popular white people they had.
Speaker C:They traded white Dante.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker C:And Hardenstadt.
Speaker C:Like, it was like, hey, too much.
Speaker C:We gotta get rid of y'.
Speaker C:All.
Speaker A:Can I just say this?
Speaker A:For the longest time, I never, I never knew who Leon.
Speaker A:What Leon Rose looked like.
Speaker A:Thought dude was black.
Speaker A:Man, that dude's white as hell.
Speaker A:Like, with a ball head.
Speaker C:I was old.
Speaker A:I was like, that's Leon Rose.
Speaker A:Dang.
Speaker A:Like, okay, maybe he ball at the Rucker or some on his off time.
Speaker A:But I was, I was completely shot.
Speaker A:I thought it.
Speaker A:I thought Leon Rose was a black dude.
Speaker A:Nah, man.
Speaker A:But that dude looked like he been through it hard and fast, though.
Speaker A:So like.
Speaker A:Yeah, sports, man.
Speaker A:You know, sports makes you do a lot of things that you never thought you do.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:It does bring out tribalism, man.
Speaker B:I mean, what most said is probably the biggest thing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It turns family against each other for a little bit.
Speaker A:I love my uncle, man, but he's a damn Cowboys fan.
Speaker B:You mean, once again, you mean somewhere deep down in your heart, you hate me, Reuben?
Speaker A:I mean, you know, you guys ripped.
Speaker B:Me a new one that Thanksgiving, man.
Speaker B:Where RG3 torches for 41, y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker B:Y' all treated me like a stepchild that day.
Speaker B:I was like, you, Uncle Lloyd, man.
Speaker A:Y' all got it that day.
Speaker B:I was like, you guys are mean.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's just what it was, baby.
Speaker A:Apparently, it's just what it was because.
Speaker A:Hey, man, you know, here's the thing.
Speaker A:As Moby likes to talk about the.
Speaker A:The fandom of.
Speaker A:Of people in their teams, like, yeah, man, at least.
Speaker A:And for the most part, in family is jest, you know?
Speaker A:Now, you really feel that in some families, I don't know about some other people's families, but my family, I don't hate nobody because they like a certain team.
Speaker A:That's craziness to me.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But you are right.
Speaker A:In some families, yeah, that's just a point of contention.
Speaker A:And it's just like, nah.
Speaker A:Like this year, you know, we're about to go to Jerry's World to watch the commanders play.
Speaker A:And so, you know, hopefully.
Speaker A:Hopefully we get to go this year.
Speaker A:And, you know, invited my uncle, who's a Cowboys fan, I was like, we can go watch this together.
Speaker A:And whoever.
Speaker A:Whoever loses ain't gonna be saying much for the rest of the trip, you know, but that's.
Speaker A:That's the type of stuff, man.
Speaker A:But it's cool, like, with me and my uncle is cool because, like, hey, man, the one.
Speaker A:The rule that we have is very simple.
Speaker A:Whoever wins makes the phone call, and the loser can't not pick it up.
Speaker B:Fair enough.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker A:That's what it is.
Speaker A:Because, you know, some.
Speaker A:I've gotten calls at the end of the third quarter when there's a blowout, and it's just like, I see you getting this out the way early.
Speaker A:I respect that.
Speaker A:You know, and that's just what it is.
Speaker A:Like, when people take it too far, they take it too far.
Speaker A:But, yeah, man, you know, some in sports is just, you know, it's.
Speaker A:It's great because you're on this platform and you're.
Speaker A:You're highest and you're high, and then next thing you know, you're as low as you can go.
Speaker A:And I mean, you know, the feeling is good and it's bad.
Speaker A:It's always great when it's good and.
Speaker A:And it sucks when it's bad.
Speaker A:You know, but hey, you know, we got it.
Speaker A:We got it.
Speaker A:If you're, if you're, if your fandom is that big, you got to do what you got to do.
Speaker C:Definitely that fandom roller coaster is, is.
Speaker A:It's the worst.
Speaker C:It's kind of foreign to me.
Speaker C:I mean, but you know what?
Speaker C:It's not.
Speaker C:It's not that it's foreign to me.
Speaker C:Like, I'm like, better than, like I'm, I'm a.
Speaker C:It's just most of the teams I rooted for have always lost, so I've never really had a roller coaster to go on.
Speaker C:It was always just like, I'm here and I've accepted that I'm here.
Speaker C:But, like, I've never felt the hatred for another team the way I see other fans do.
Speaker C:Like, I just never have felt it.
Speaker C:Like, there's some teams I don't like, but usually when I don't like them, it ain't even like a fandom I don't like.
Speaker C:I usually have very, very specific reasons why I don't like.
Speaker C:I've talked about UVA basketball because I didn't think that was really basketball.
Speaker C:It had nothing to do with them being uva.
Speaker C:Like, I, I wouldn't have came.
Speaker B:They want a natty man.
Speaker B:Ain't real basketball, bro.
Speaker C:It's not real basketball.
Speaker C:Dribbling it 30, like passing it for 35 seconds and slowing the game down at a crawl.
Speaker C:Like, it's just.
Speaker C:I mean, it's not as quotically from.
Speaker B:North Carolina is kind of the same thing.
Speaker B:I mean, here's the thing.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Because they used to say all the time, the only person that can hold Dean Smith, hold Jordan under 30 is Dean Smith.
Speaker A:Like, you know, but what I'm not going to do.
Speaker A:Mo B.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker A:What we not going to do is sit here and say you are not immune to it because there are two words that will set you off.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker C:I didn't say I was immune to it.
Speaker C:Prefacing it that I wasn't.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker C:First of all.
Speaker C:Well, but that actually proves my point too, because it's a specific thing.
Speaker C:I don't, I don't dislike the Patriots.
Speaker C:You've never heard me say anything negative about the Patriots.
Speaker C:No, no.
Speaker C:You always.
Speaker C:The duck rule.
Speaker C:Put an adjective in front of it.
Speaker C:And everybody against Tom Brady.
Speaker C:I don't have nothing against the Patriots.
Speaker C:It's just that one moment doesn't resonate well with me.
Speaker C:That's it.
Speaker C:Like, I just like Jon Gruden, but that's not really because of any.
Speaker C:It's not because he knows Tampa Bay against the Raiders and they want.
Speaker C:It's because he's an hard stop.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But, yeah, man.
Speaker A:I mean, hey, look, you know, as long as it's in jest and as long as it's not violent, it's.
Speaker A:You know, fandom is great.
Speaker A:It's when people take it too far, it gets a bad name.
Speaker A:And, you know, see, that's the thing in that.
Speaker B:In that one fleeting moment, like, utopia is what I'm saying, bro.
Speaker A:And I think.
Speaker A:What did Fat Joe say last night?
Speaker A:He was like, the Puerto Rican parade was today.
Speaker A:And he was like, that's gonna be the parade before the parade.
Speaker A:And I was like, I have not seen any pictures of the Puerto Rican Day parade there today.
Speaker A:I bet it was lit as all get out out.
Speaker C:I mean, of course it was also, like, I just think it's amazing that when people are happy or when people are outraged, they have the exact same reaction.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:All right, if some injustice happens publicly and we hate it, we tear up.
Speaker C:If our team wins, we tear up.
Speaker B:And what bus is on fire and whatnot, bruh?
Speaker A:Moby, what did I text you last night?
Speaker C:After the next one, they gonna burn that city down.
Speaker C:Burn that city down.
Speaker C:We knew that the whole time.
Speaker C:I was just like, yo, if New York, like, I'm more upset.
Speaker C:Mad at the people who did not want to be a part of this for staying because, like, they're showing pictures of, like, cars like, that got trampled on in the streets and burned.
Speaker C:And I'm just like, yo, when I thought the Knicks might have a chance at winning the championship, I'm out.
Speaker C:I'm out.
Speaker C:I'm out.
Speaker C:Like, I. I know not everybody's financially able to do it, but sacrifices have to be made sometimes, man.
Speaker C:Like, like, I would.
Speaker C:I would be in Jersey just sleeping in my car.
Speaker C:I'd be like, no, because what's not going to happen is I'm not going to let this burn down just because these excited about winning the game.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:These people who did not participate in this game at all, did not get any money for it, are celebrating as if they just had their firstborn child, bro.
Speaker C:And look, I'm.
Speaker C:I'm happy for Nick's father fans.
Speaker C:I really am happy for Knicks fans because they're the.
Speaker C:One of the worst NBA fan bases because of how arrogant they act.
Speaker C:But they're also the mo.
Speaker C:The cutest because it's like, they usually always feel like they got a chance.
Speaker C:So it's like really cool that they actually won.
Speaker C:You know what?
Speaker C:They're a lot like Cowboys fans.
Speaker C:Knicks fans and Cowboys have a lot of similarities.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker B:I think Cowboys fans are a little worse though.
Speaker C:No, no, I, I, I will definitely say that.
Speaker A:Oh, definitely.
Speaker A:Without question.
Speaker C:But I think, Nick, I think Cowboys fans will be Knicks fans in about 20 years.
Speaker C:Like if cowboys.
Speaker C:About 20 more years of not winning.
Speaker C:Jesus, I don't think so.
Speaker C:Think about it.
Speaker C:Because look, I would not have said there was that much of a difference based on Knicks fans in the 90s.
Speaker C:Cuz Knicks fans in the 90s were, were very similar to Cowboys fans are right now.
Speaker C:They hadn't won in a long time, but they always acted like they were the Mecca of basketball.
Speaker C:Like everything started and ended with them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:But then after like another 20 more years of not winning, it was just like, hey man, like everybody always comes here to shine because, you know, nobody here shining.
Speaker C:So like I said, give the Cowboys 20 more years of not winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker C:They'll be who Knicks fans are today.
Speaker C:I'm telling you, when Cowboys win a Super bowl one day, this whole country.
Speaker A:You said one day.
Speaker B:I don't know if one day is coming, statistically speaking.
Speaker C:Reuben, I gotta believe eventually the Cowboys.
Speaker A:Are going to win.
Speaker B:I mean, broken clocks, man.
Speaker B:Broken clocks.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:Eventually they're going to win a Super bowl one day.
Speaker C:And when they do, their fan base is so spread out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like they're all over the place.
Speaker A:So I'll say this and, and we'll, we'll move on.
Speaker A:The Internet is undefeated, man.
Speaker A:The Internet is so undefeated.
Speaker A:Like every time I think they can't do anything better, they do something better.
Speaker A:So of course y' all been seeing the clips I send you how this one, what, this wife trolls her Cowboys husband.
Speaker A:Cowboys fan husband, like in videotapes it.
Speaker A:And he allows that because I would give her a flip phone and say, guess what?
Speaker A:You're not doing any social media.
Speaker A:Like all she does, y' all seen them.
Speaker A:All she does is talk about how the Cowboys ain't gonna win nothing.
Speaker A:And it almost, I.
Speaker A:Part of like, See, part of me feels like this is set up, but then part of me feels like it's not.
Speaker A:And because I feel like his reactions are very genuine and because she be tricking him all the time to talk shit about the Cowboys, man.
Speaker A:And his face is just like, like I feel like he wants to say I fucking hate you, like every time, like literally.
Speaker A:But it's his wife and he ain't about to do that because she knows you gonna put it on the Internet.
Speaker A:But the one thing I saw today, man, I was just so weak and I.
Speaker A:Somebody put up there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:The Knicks won the joint before the Cowboys.
Speaker A:I was like, come on, man, that's foul.
Speaker B:But it's so true.
Speaker A:I mean, it is 53 years.
Speaker C:I'm gonna say it really isn't, because been 53 years, Cowboys have won within 53 years.
Speaker A:I mean, that's true.
Speaker B:But what I'm saying, I mean, the sentiment is kind of the same.
Speaker B:It's almost.
Speaker B:It's like.
Speaker B:It's like we ain't won nothing since 93.
Speaker A:So I'm like, is it really that different?
Speaker C:No, it's always your year.
Speaker C:It's always their year.
Speaker B:Okay, whatever.
Speaker C:I'm just saying that that was the, like, look, I was there in the 90s.
Speaker C:Knicks were always one year away, man.
Speaker A:They all.
Speaker C:They were always one year away.
Speaker A:And all those dudes were there.
Speaker A:The last guy, Jordan, retired, they was.
Speaker C:Like, oh, Jordan here now?
Speaker C:And then they got there.
Speaker B:He got swept up twice.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's like, hey, man, Jordan in here.
Speaker A:But I'm here.
Speaker A:Like, what's up?
Speaker A:So, like, yeah, you know, then that's undefeated, man.
Speaker A:Man, it's.
Speaker A:It's wild.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I'mma say this, and then I'm going to give it to.
Speaker A:To AG for what's Orange Mind?
Speaker A:Like, I'm a Lakers fan, but this orange and blue sky is stupid and I'm done.
Speaker A:I'm glad you mad.
Speaker A:Orange and blue oh, oh Orange and blue.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:Why you mad at this song, man?
Speaker A:Orange and blue skies Ain't no way it could be.
Speaker A:Never mind.
Speaker A:AG what's on your mind?
Speaker A:Right, man.
Speaker B:Actually, what we were just talking about, I just want to give a shout out to the Knicks because when I saw them like escalate during the playoffs, I said, I think the Knicks for real.
Speaker B:Because I haven't been really paying attention to pro basketball this year for whatever reason.
Speaker B:So I'm watching this.
Speaker B:I was like, they even literally lost.
Speaker B:For real?
Speaker B:I said, they might be for real.
Speaker B:So they won the first game in the finals.
Speaker B:I said, okay.
Speaker B:Then they won the second game.
Speaker B:Then they dropped the third game, which is.
Speaker B:I feel like it's almost normal.
Speaker B:Then they won another time, and then they won the day.
Speaker B:And I was like, man, I remember Willis Reed coming out the tunnel.
Speaker B:I remember.
Speaker B:I mean, Walt Frazier, still with us, whatever.
Speaker B:All that, all the pain that they have been through in this franchise, some of it had nothing to do with them, because ownership, good gravy.
Speaker B:I. I don't even know what they were thinking.
Speaker B:But anyway, it's like, to all the New York fans, you know, shout out to y', all, congratulations.
Speaker B:Mazel tov.
Speaker B:So that's what's on my mind, right?
Speaker B:That's what's on my mind.
Speaker A:I hear that.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Thank you, sir.
Speaker A:Mo B, what's on your mind?
Speaker C:We gonna keep it, I guess, on this sports theme, man.
Speaker C:Like, I just want to say I am really proud of this podcast right now because I am so irritated with all of the commentary about how Wimby ain't shit because he lost.
Speaker C:Like, I've seen so many posts about how Jalen Brunson smoked Winby, and I'm just like, yo, let's be honest.
Speaker C:My guy, like, Jalen Branson had a great game.
Speaker A:He did.
Speaker C:Whimmy's 22.
Speaker C:Everybody on his first team is like, 22.
Speaker A:Youngest team in the NBA.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:I think Fox is the oldest guy there, isn't it?
Speaker C:And he's the dude that probably cost him the game.
Speaker B:I need to watch it, because I keep hearing that, oh, he choked a couple times.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:Was like, he was so bad for the last couple games that it's really hard not to listen to the conspiracy theorist who was just, like, he was on the tape.
Speaker C:Like, it.
Speaker C:Some of the decisions he made.
Speaker C:It really does almost feel like he had a side bet going against him through the game.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker C:Like, because his team, it was almost trying to bail him out.
Speaker C:Like, Dylan Harper, who's a rookie, balled out, like, Charles Barkley at halftime.
Speaker C:The last game was like, they gotta bench de' Aaron Fox.
Speaker C:Like, Barkley said that at halftime, they gotta bench.
Speaker C:Cause people.
Speaker B:People.
Speaker C:People who watch basketball were just like, this doesn't even make sense.
Speaker C:Like, we've seen too much of you actually play basketball for us to think that this is real.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker C:This doesn't see this Seems like you are proactively sabotaging your team.
Speaker B:What I understand, because anytime y' all say something like that, I'm like, holy cow.
Speaker B:What kind of game is dude?
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker C:He said it mid game.
Speaker C:He's like, they got a bencher.
Speaker B:Because when he was with the King, I saw this dude go score stealth on a team.
Speaker B:Carried him on his back.
Speaker C:One clutch player of the year.
Speaker B:Yeah, he did.
Speaker B:And I saw it.
Speaker B:And then I'm like.
Speaker C:And then in the finals, I'm supposed to think, in the finals, that.
Speaker C:First of all, in the game where he Got the steal.
Speaker C:Instead of dribbling the ball out like.
Speaker A:He's the fastest dude on the court.
Speaker A:Nobody.
Speaker C:He goes to try, he slows down to try to do a layup over a 6, 8.
Speaker C:First team, all defensive person.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:Out of that.
Speaker C:Perfect sense.
Speaker C:Perfect sense.
Speaker C:But you know what?
Speaker C:I. I can deal with that.
Speaker C:But then in that same game, he dribbled the ball off his foot twice.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker C:Like just driving.
Speaker C:Dribble the ball off his foot.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker C:Like I said.
Speaker C:And I feel bad because I'm like, if he wasn't, I want him to have been on the take because I would hate for him to just have, like, played that bad.
Speaker B:Is that the only way that makes sense to you is he's on the table?
Speaker C:It's not the only way it makes sense.
Speaker C:I'd rather him be on the tape because I. I can justify it and then I can be like, hey, everybody might hate him in San Antonio, but at least he got his.
Speaker C:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker C:Like, I know that's a terrible logic, but I at least feel like, hey, look, man, I don't know who he owes.
Speaker C:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I don't know who he owes, who he got.
Speaker C:Who got some bad debt with Moby.
Speaker A:Can I also say in game four, like, like they're up by 29 points.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I thought they were gonna lose and.
Speaker A:We're gonna just start jacking threes.
Speaker A:And Dean Fox didn't say, hey, guys, we should probably stop jacket threes because we ain't in.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker C:It was coaching malpractice.
Speaker B:But you know what?
Speaker C:First time, first time coach.
Speaker C:First time coach.
Speaker C:I will almost say I get it, man.
Speaker A:I don't blame the coach for that.
Speaker C:You don't want your team to get tight, but the only reason you signed Aaron Fox is because you're like, hey, hey, we need a veteran presence.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker C:On this team to make sure we don't go do stupid.
Speaker A:I'm surprised he ain't cut yet.
Speaker B:He's too good.
Speaker C:You can't cut him because he got deals like 220 million.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:They're gonna have to pay that he.
Speaker A:Ain't there person on their team, I'm telling you.
Speaker B:I mean, I don't know, though, who's.
Speaker C:Gonna want to trade for him after seeing that resume.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:And who's going to swallow that contract, bro?
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, there are a lot of shitty teams out here who can swallow it.
Speaker A:Like Utah and I'll be like, hey, man, you know, for a pack of smokes, what's up in a fifth round pick?
Speaker C:You're right, Reuben.
Speaker C:But why would a team.
Speaker C:Well, why would a team want to do it?
Speaker A:Well, you know what?
Speaker C:You know what most.
Speaker C:You know what most schools don't like doing?
Speaker C:Hiring a teacher who just got accused of sexual assault at another school.
Speaker C:But they deal with essentially what we just.
Speaker C:That's essentially what we just saw on live tv.
Speaker C:We.
Speaker C:We saw this dude rape his own team.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:But here's the thing, Moby.
Speaker A:They still hire that teacher.
Speaker C:But here's the thing, Reuben.
Speaker C:They don't do it if it's on Public Blast like that.
Speaker C:They don't do it if it made the news.
Speaker C:And this made the news, bro.
Speaker C:Like, he was on every sports media outlet talked about how bad Deer and Fox played, which.
Speaker C:Which is why I said I would.
Speaker C:I hope he was on the.
Speaker C:Like, I hope he was because I hate for him somebody who's played as good in his career for his whole career to just be about this now.
Speaker C:Because unless.
Speaker C:Unless they can come back and win one.
Speaker C:Like, look, man, I can think of a whole bunch of people who.
Speaker C:This is their career.
Speaker C:Like Nick Anderson.
Speaker C:Nick Anderson had great career.
Speaker C:He missed some free throws in the finals.
Speaker C:That's all he's known for.
Speaker C:That's all he's known for.
Speaker A:I mean, hey, man, for the Red.
Speaker C:Sox, who let the ball go between his legs.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Bill Blockner.
Speaker C:That's all he's known for, man.
Speaker B:Like, no context or anything.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:He's part of the reason.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I don't want that for anybody.
Speaker A:But I will say that the Denver Broncos did eat like $90 million of Russell Wilson's contract.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:So if.
Speaker A:If they can find a way to shave a little bit of that off, don't think San Antonio won't eat it,.
Speaker C:Because when they don't really need to get rid of him.
Speaker C:I just don't think they can play him anymore.
Speaker A:But, man, if you can pay about 220, you gotta do it somewhere else.
Speaker B:I just don't think it's gonna happen.
Speaker C:Where you eating it.
Speaker C:Either way you eating it, Ruben.
Speaker C:Like, either way you eating it, then.
Speaker A:Stay at home, man.
Speaker A:I will pay you to stay the home.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker A:And that's just what it is.
Speaker C:I'm just proud that we didn't jump on this narrative of Wimby is lesser than now, because in his first finals that they didn't come through.
Speaker C:But, you know, that's what the Internet does, man.
Speaker C:It's just.
Speaker C:It's just all how.
Speaker A:That's the first time I've actually heard that.
Speaker C:Oh, no, there's.
Speaker C:There's a lot of, like, a lot.
Speaker A:Of haters out there.
Speaker C:Wimby didn't play good.
Speaker C:Wimby should have got all them flagrant fouls.
Speaker C:And I'm just like, yo, the only.
Speaker B:Thing I said about Wimy is he.
Speaker B:He went from a going to.
Speaker B:He was a rookie with a team that was bad.
Speaker B:Three years later, here they are.
Speaker B:I mean, what about that part?
Speaker C:I mean, here's the thing.
Speaker C:Like, you know, everybody's like, oh, Wimy blew it.
Speaker C:Blah, blah.
Speaker C:He's not clutching.
Speaker C:I'm like, man, how many people in their first playoff run make it to the finals?
Speaker B:Not too many.
Speaker C:Never.
Speaker B:Boy, Magic did.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:And he played with other hall of Famers.
Speaker C:Yeah, he also played with other hall of Famers.
Speaker C:Now, Shaq went to the finals and got swept in Orlando.
Speaker C:We don't remember that shit now.
Speaker C:So what?
Speaker C:I'm just like, hey, man, in like six or seven years, when Wemby probably has, like, two or three championships chips, like, ain't nobody gonna worry about this.
Speaker C:You know what they're gonna do?
Speaker C:They're gonna be like, damn, he would have another one if that bum Deer and Fox didn't play.
Speaker B:Let's go.
Speaker A:Shout out the air, Fox.
Speaker B:Let's see that.
Speaker B:See you wrong for that once again, man, I hate.
Speaker C:I hate that he's taking the brunt of this, but he earned that.
Speaker C:Proven.
Speaker C:I get it, man.
Speaker C:You can say he earned it.
Speaker C:However, nothing you've ever done in your life has been put under a microscope that these guys are under in the NBA Finals.
Speaker C:And I bet if you had a couple really bad days in a row and a couple million people got to see it, everybody would say you were a bum, too.
Speaker C:The problem is most people not problem.
Speaker C:The good thing is most people don't have the entire world see them at their worst.
Speaker C:And he had some of the worst games of his life on the biggest stage.
Speaker A:Well, I'm glad he getting paid $220 million.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:That does make it a little easier.
Speaker C:It does make it a little easier.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But here's the thing.
Speaker C:It's a human thing.
Speaker C:You can say it makes it easier, but, like, that's it, really.
Speaker B:When you gotta go to the grocery store.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker C:You can buy a lot of.
Speaker C:But everywhere you go, like, that bum, man.
Speaker A:Do you know how long he can do it, baby?
Speaker A:I mean, so, so, so the cost.
Speaker C:Of being rich is isolation.
Speaker C:That's what you want.
Speaker B:Sometimes it is, yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like I said, Bill Buckner had a pretty good career for a long, for a long time.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's all he was known for, man.
Speaker B:Matter.
Speaker C:That's still really all he's known for.
Speaker C:It's just now that they won again.
Speaker C:All right, we can forgive him now.
Speaker C:Like, hey, we won.
Speaker B:So this dude had to move out of the city, Adam.
Speaker B:Out of the state.
Speaker B:Actually, actually that showed.
Speaker B:It was so bad.
Speaker B:So bad.
Speaker C:Yeah, man.
Speaker C:I'm just glad we took the high road and we celebrated the winner and didn't try to shit on the loser.
Speaker C:I'm just saying because that's the good and bad about sports.
Speaker C:That's the good and evil we talked about with sports.
Speaker C:Like it brings people together to celebrate.
Speaker C:But we don't know.
Speaker C:It's not just enough to celebrate.
Speaker A:Break.
Speaker C:Like Reuben's fandom always says, it's just not enough for his team to win.
Speaker C:He also got to call his uncle and, and talk about it.
Speaker C:You, you, you, you got to talk.
Speaker C:And, and that's the worst part about sports.
Speaker C:Like, I'm glad I'm not infected with that.
Speaker C:Winning is always enough for me.
Speaker C:It's always enough for me.
Speaker C:I don't, I don't need to tell nobody.
Speaker C:As long as I know I won, I'm cool.
Speaker C:But I realize most people winning ain't never enough.
Speaker C:You, you, you got to, it's not enough to put a man down.
Speaker C:You gotta kick his ass too.
Speaker C:Because how will he understand that you're better than him if you're not stomping him?
Speaker B:The scoreboard usually doesn't.
Speaker A:No, no, no, man, sign up.
Speaker C:What happens if his number comprehension isn't there?
Speaker C:What happens if for some reason he closes his eyes?
Speaker C:You know, I gotta make sure he knows that I was kicking his ass on this day.
Speaker B:He closes his eyes.
Speaker C:I do, I do get in jest that sometimes it is cool when you talk to somebody you're cool with to bring up that moment you won.
Speaker C:It's, it's a feel good moment.
Speaker C:I still do it with some of my friends.
Speaker C:I'm, I'm, it's not my first thing I go to, but you know, every once in a while, like when Ron came and saw my daughters playing basketball, he made a statement it to my dog.
Speaker C:He was like, yeah, you know, your dad was always better at basketball with me.
Speaker C:But that was the only thing he was better than me.
Speaker C:And I'm like, hey bro, I remember striking you out, bro, what you talking about?
Speaker C:Like, I remember striking you out.
Speaker C:It was like, like, once again, I've always said I'm a counter puncher.
Speaker C:So when he said that, I was like, oh, okay, we doing this now.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker A:I'm better than everything but this.
Speaker A:Yeah, let's try that again.
Speaker C:And the thing is, he didn't even say it that way, Rube.
Speaker C:Because if he'd have said it that way, I'd have felt more justified in my RA reaction.
Speaker C:He actually gave me a compliment.
Speaker C:He was like, yeah, your dad was always better at basketball than me.
Speaker C:Because he, you know, he, he just, that was kind of his thing.
Speaker C:But yeah, you know, other stuff.
Speaker A:And that's, and that's where exactly it.
Speaker C:Was that he tried to slide it in.
Speaker C:I'm like, look, man, just cause you, you know, yo, pigmentation camouflages, you don't mean that.
Speaker C:Word slipped past.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker C:Y' all are.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:It's cold blooded on these streets.
Speaker A:So I got to say, it's cold blooded on the street.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:And, and then, you know, then we go back to our normal banter where he was just like, man, I bust your ass on football.
Speaker C:Which I always go, hey, look, man, that's not true.
Speaker C:But I'm not.
Speaker C:I'm gonna let you.
Speaker C:I'm letting you.
Speaker C:It's not true.
Speaker A:It's not true.
Speaker C:It's not true.
Speaker B:I didn't think it was.
Speaker B:But you know, it's still funny.
Speaker A:Sometimes you gotta let some people have something.
Speaker C:See, it's not ever less.
Speaker C:He, he knows it ain't true.
Speaker C:But he does have a better resume.
Speaker C:Amazing to me, based on us playing together.
Speaker C:Because I'm like, hey, man, I played football two years.
Speaker C:No, three years in high school.
Speaker C:I played jv, then I played varsity last two years.
Speaker C:This man was the start and center all four years of high school.
Speaker C:And he leans on that.
Speaker C:And I've always given him big props to that because he played with a whole bunch of all district and all Tide Water linemen.
Speaker C:And he was always right in the middle of it.
Speaker C:Now he won't ever one of them.
Speaker C:I was.
Speaker C:But I mean, he was right there though.
Speaker C:He's right there.
Speaker C:No, not poor Ron.
Speaker C:Cause I, I, I give him all the love because I'm like, hey, to start as an offensive lineman, four years in high school as an offensive, and everybody on our offensive line was almost £300.
Speaker C:Me and him were like the smallest people.
Speaker C:Hey, Ron was a dog at football.
Speaker C:That's why I say I give him that one.
Speaker C:Like, I Ain't gonna fight him on that.
Speaker C:Like, hey, hey.
Speaker C:Because when it comes to that inner dog, I will say he got that.
Speaker C:I mean, I was just better athlete, you know?
Speaker C:It's not his fault.
Speaker C:No, it's not his.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Ah, cool.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:You good?
Speaker A:Movie?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:No, it's on your mind?
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:It's very simple, man.
Speaker A:We're gonna stick with the sports thing.
Speaker A:Can I.
Speaker A:Can.
Speaker A:Can I just get the congre congregation to sit here and.
Speaker A:And repeat the words that come out my mouth real quickly?
Speaker A:Can y' all do that for me after I say I don't.
Speaker A:I'm not.
Speaker A:Solid words, man.
Speaker A:They're solid words.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:They're not dissing anybody or anything.
Speaker C:Okay, we'll see.
Speaker A:Let me say we'll see.
Speaker A:Can you just repeat after me?
Speaker A:Texas teach Tech what they do.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Mo.
Speaker B:Just realize this is the conversation.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker C:I don't agree with you, so.
Speaker A:And that.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And you cannot agree with me, so.
Speaker A:Look, man, the death nail.
Speaker A:The, the, the.
Speaker A:The spike in every sport is gambling.
Speaker A:You can't gamble on your sport.
Speaker A:Ask Pete Rose.
Speaker A:Right, ask.
Speaker A:What's the dude from Carolina.
Speaker A:The Carolina Panthers dude.
Speaker A:No, he's not Carolina Panthers.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:He's in Tennessee now.
Speaker A:But he basically ain't not gonna have a career after this year.
Speaker A:But whatever.
Speaker A:You can't gamble on your sport and you damn sure can't gamble on the game that you may possibly play in.
Speaker A:Yeah, Bren, sorry, man.
Speaker A:I get it, man.
Speaker A:Transfer.
Speaker A:It's all about winning championships these days.
Speaker A:And it's about that money these days, bro.
Speaker A:Huh?
Speaker B:It's always been about that.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, man.
Speaker A:But Gam is a thing like I get it, man.
Speaker A:People, you know, people get addicted and you know, whatever, whatever.
Speaker A:And that sucks, right?
Speaker A:And they.
Speaker A:They even sent the dude to gameless anonymous miss.
Speaker A:Try to give him some help.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker C:Send them.
Speaker C:That's an important detail.
Speaker C:They didn't send him to.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:He checked himself in.
Speaker A:Yeah, but checks themselves.
Speaker C:Yeah, but he checked himself in like before this was even a public thing.
Speaker A:Correct, and that's very true.
Speaker A:But here's the thing right now.
Speaker A:Ag.
Speaker A:To quick, quick thing.
Speaker A:He used to play for Indiana.
Speaker A:Now he was like the third string quarterback.
Speaker C:Tech.
Speaker A:Okay, but he bet on Indiana games.
Speaker B:No, I heard about the story.
Speaker B:I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker B:Like what?
Speaker B:Because I was surprised that they.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The Texas Tech.
Speaker B:Texas Tech went and got him and I was like, you realize he's really.
Speaker B:Because I felt.
Speaker B:I felt some type of way, you Know, while he was living and certainly posthumously.
Speaker B:It's like, okay, we treating Pete Rose like this, and then somebody do something and then.
Speaker B:Are you for real?
Speaker B:I. I don't, I don't understand.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:Because I, Because I'm with Reuben on this.
Speaker B:If you're betting on your own sport, you should be blackballed automatically.
Speaker C:Yeah, but.
Speaker B:And so if we're doing this, then why is Pete Rose still not in.
Speaker A:Hall of Fame posthumously?
Speaker A:Yes,.
Speaker C:I do have a response.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I will play devil's advocate on this.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:And I will.
Speaker C:I will differentiate the difference between Pete Rose and this guy.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:This guy was a college student.
Speaker C:Pete Rose was a professional athlete.
Speaker B:But can you make that distinction not.
Speaker C:In the hall of Fame just because he gambled.
Speaker C:He's in the hall of Fame because the motherfucker denied it for like 20 years.
Speaker C:Like, this dude actually admitted to it, checked himself into rehab.
Speaker C:And I just, I think if we're going to go.
Speaker C:Zero tolerance policy on youth athletes when the entire sport is wrapped around gambling and wrapped around the access and ease of gambling, and we're not going to acknowledge the fact that there's a lot of people who actually have a gambling addiction, I think I would feel differently about it.
Speaker C:Had he been caught in some gambling scandal, denied it, then eventually had to come to the forefront and say, hey, I was gambling.
Speaker C:You called me blah, blah, blah, then I'd be for a penalty.
Speaker C:But somebody who says, admittedly said I had a gambling problem, checked himself in the rehab.
Speaker C:He's.
Speaker C:He's still going to get suspended, I think, for.
Speaker C:I think he still has to sit two games.
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker C:Yeah, but that's what.
Speaker C:And I think that's what you know, know.
Speaker C:So I'm not saying that I don't think it's egregious, and I understand it affects the integrity of your sport.
Speaker C:However, it is very disingenuous for us to make billions of dollars gambling.
Speaker C:And we're proactively advertising to people in that age group.
Speaker C:And we're not going to say, hey, man, I understand that some people have a problem.
Speaker C:Now.
Speaker C:Should he be punished in some capacity?
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker C:But the whole blackball never should be able to play again.
Speaker C:I don't agree with that.
Speaker C:Now, I, I do have a little bit of a problem with the fact that, I mean, he is borderline, like NFL prospect, which is why Texas Tech wants him.
Speaker C:So part of me is like, hey, man, his life really wouldn't be per se over if he couldn't play college anymore.
Speaker C:He would just probably enter the supplemental draft and probably maybe get picked up by somebody.
Speaker C:However, if we don't punish, we don't give people the death penalty for sexual assault, we don't give people the death penalty for drug trafficking.
Speaker C:A lot of other egregious.
Speaker C:It's just really weird to me that as soon as somebody says something about gambling, it's like our moral compass goes.
Speaker C:Goes off the charts.
Speaker C:Like the integrity of the game is compromised.
Speaker C:I just, I just feel like everybody's reaction to this is a bit too extreme.
Speaker C:Like other schools talking about, we're not going to schedule Texas Tech because they're letting this guy play, man.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker C:All the underhanded that all these big programs do, all the rape that they brushed under the rug at most of these university and stuff.
Speaker C:Hey, miss me with this whole death penalty forever because this made a mistake.
Speaker C:Now, now, I'm cool if you're like, hey, I think he's getting off too light.
Speaker A:I kind of agree.
Speaker C:I'm cool if you're like, hey, man, I don't think it.
Speaker C:Texas Tech probably should have a higher moral code than bringing somebody in.
Speaker C:Cool.
Speaker C:But the school's job in this day and age ain't about moral code.
Speaker C:It's about winning and making their school money.
Speaker C:And that's what's.
Speaker C:That's what everybody.
Speaker C:Capitalism gives us a shield for everything good, bad, or indifferent.
Speaker C:I don't like it, but it is what it is.
Speaker C:I just think it sounds really disingenuous when we just go, hey, this dude, who at 19 years old was making stupid gambling decisions and not like he was throwing games because he wasn't even playing.
Speaker C:Is it kind of like insider trading?
Speaker C:Because maybe he knows who is and isn't playing?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Is it bad?
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker C:Should we just act like nothing happened?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:But should we, like, blackball this dude and be like, oh, man, this school is just so horrible because they're giving this kid another chance?
Speaker C:Nah, man, that just don't sit well with me.
Speaker B:I'm just saying is.
Speaker B:What I'm saying is if this is what we're doing, let's do it.
Speaker B:I hear what you're saying.
Speaker B:I agree with that.
Speaker B:Pete Rose and why are we even talking about this?
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's where I'm coming from.
Speaker B:If.
Speaker B:If Pete Rose is the standard, then what are we doing now?
Speaker A:And I guess.
Speaker C:But is that really apples to orange thing?
Speaker B:It's not.
Speaker B:All I'm saying is if this is what we're doing.
Speaker B:Listen to what I'm saying.
Speaker B:If this is what we're doing.
Speaker B:How come the rules are changing?
Speaker B:Because honestly, Pete Rose is a professional athlete, but a lot of these college kids are too.
Speaker C:It's also a different sport.
Speaker B:I understand that, but what I'm saying is, just from a betting standpoint, if we are going to be outraged at one person doing something, and then that is the narrative that we've been given all this time, whether he lied about it or not, it's like we all knew.
Speaker B:It's like, then what's changed?
Speaker B:But I do understand what you mean.
Speaker B:I do understand what you mean, because you're actually right about that.
Speaker B:Because the punishment wouldn't fit the crime if it was like, you'll never play football this level again.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Well, so here's my thing with it.
Speaker A:I'm gonna be very honest with you.
Speaker A:Did he ever play college again?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:He probably should have just went to the supplemental draft.
Speaker A:I'm very fine with that.
Speaker A:Because you're right, he is a budding NFL prospect.
Speaker A:And honestly, to me, that's your punishment.
Speaker A:Because his situation.
Speaker C:Not to be able to make money.
Speaker A:No, the punishment is you gotta order.
Speaker A:Well, yeah.
Speaker C:Not to be able to make money.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, if we're gonna be honest about it, yes.
Speaker A:I would say, hey, man, you gotta go to long road, bro.
Speaker A:You can't go back to college.
Speaker A:You gotta go to supplemental draft.
Speaker A:He would get drafted and I would.
Speaker C:Just say the punishment and the pathway.
Speaker A:Will be longer because he.
Speaker A:I'm telling you what's gonna happen now.
Speaker A:What's gonna happen now.
Speaker A:He's gonna get the play.
Speaker A:But then I promise you, before the end of this year, there will be specific rules on gambling in the NCAA or in the.
Speaker A:Or in the individual conferences or whatever.
Speaker A:I promise you that.
Speaker C:I think individual rules on gambling.
Speaker A:Well, clearly not, because that's what he's being punished for.
Speaker C:Like, I think he's supposed to.
Speaker C:He's got to be suspended for a couple of games.
Speaker A:Yeah, his first game is like.
Speaker A:Like the Sep.18 September.
Speaker A:So like, he.
Speaker A:He doesn't play the two shitty teams that they play at the beginning of the season.
Speaker A:So, like, you know, if it was six games, I'd probably be cool with it.
Speaker C:Because at that point, now you're talking different.
Speaker C:If you say that you feel like you should be suspended for longer, I'll ride with you on that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:But if we're just like, I just don't.
Speaker C:I think punishment should fit the crime.
Speaker A:Well, and that's the thing.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Because really, at this point in time, as far as we know, he's really the first person to have done this on such a level.
Speaker B:And that we know and it's not.
Speaker A:Yet that we know of, right?
Speaker A:So here's the thing, right?
Speaker A:He going back to school to get that nil money.
Speaker A:I ain't mad at him for that.
Speaker A:But bro, you can't be out here.
Speaker A:Like to me, the punishment has got to be.
Speaker A:You can't play half the season, which then you gotta make decisions because is it worth me coming back to school for half a season that I remember game seven, maybe they found that quarterback and he might not even fucking play or maybe go into the draft or the supplemental draft, you know, and that's my thing.
Speaker C:I think, I think that's a good argument.
Speaker C:Like if you're like, I feel like he should be posting punish more.
Speaker C:I'm with you.
Speaker C:But you started off by saying hard line each and every.
Speaker C:And I'm just like, whoa, that's, that's, that's a bit extreme, man.
Speaker C:Especially some of the crimes and stuff that we have people who are still actually playing.
Speaker A:But there are ways to, I mean, and I'll say this, there are ways for rules to happen to basically say you ain't never playing no more without saying you ain't never playing no more.
Speaker B:You know, I mean, like, look, enough, true enough.
Speaker A:I mean, I mean the death penalty, the NCAA death penalty really has only affected one school.
Speaker A:And I would probably say, yeah, 20, 30 years later, 40 years later.
Speaker A:It took 40 years to get their back together and now SMU's probably pretty solid now, you know.
Speaker A:But yeah, but the only, the death penalty is only for two years.
Speaker A:But the, the length of, for those two years, it destroyed their program and it just took them a very long time to get back up.
Speaker A:They had to make choices and all this other stuff.
Speaker A:And all I'm saying is this two game punishment is bullshit simply because we all know any team that's worth any salt for the most part is going to play at least two cupcakes now.
Speaker A:They've changed a lot of things.
Speaker C:Everybody said that's kind of changed now.
Speaker A:But, but I mean we can look at Texas Tech schedule and I, I think they're probably two cupcake.
Speaker A:Two cupcakes.
Speaker A:No, he talking to Big 12.
Speaker A:Like if you, if you'd have led.
Speaker C:With his suspension, is it enough?
Speaker C:I would have been with you, but you led with like the hard line.
Speaker C:He should never be able to play college football again.
Speaker C:Texas Tech.
Speaker C:And my thing is Texas Tech isn't the Issue.
Speaker C:I don't think Texas Tech is the issue.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And I'm going to disagree with that partially because they are enabling it.
Speaker C:And here's the reason I'm going to say Texas Tech is the issue is because the only way I'll allow you to say Texas Tech is the issue is if you don't think any other team would have signed him.
Speaker A:I mean we really would never know.
Speaker C:Yes we would.
Speaker C:Because he had multiple offers.
Speaker C:Well, no, no, I'm not saying that.
Speaker A:But we don't know after the scandal come out if would have kept him.
Speaker A:We don't know that.
Speaker A:I'm not saying, I'm not saying they.
Speaker C:Would have got rid of him contractually.
Speaker A:Well, but that's the thing.
Speaker A:I mean that's why you suspend them.
Speaker A:And the Big 12 can still suspend him for more games.
Speaker A:Cuz I think that's suspension which, which.
Speaker C:Is what that it should be like.
Speaker C:I don't, I don't think, I don't think anybody else should have to come in and do anything.
Speaker A:Yeah, think Texas Tech suspended him for the first two games but the Big 12 has the ability to suspend him for Big 12 games if they choose to.
Speaker C:The reason, the reason they did the two game suspension is because, look, as a former college athlete, I know like, look man, back in the day when we would do the drug test, if you were going to fail a drug test and you knew you were going to fail the drug test, you didn't go take the drug test.
Speaker C:When they called your name to get on that van to go get drug tested, it you would go to the coach and you'd be like, you know what it is?
Speaker C:And they would suspend you for two games for violating team rules.
Speaker C:Because if they, if you go do that drug test, the NCAA suspends you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:If I just say you violated team rules, I don't have to specify what team rules they are correct once again, which is why the punishment fits the crime.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, so I mean, you know, the hope is, here's my thing, if the Big 12 is going to do something, they need to do something now.
Speaker A:Because if they're going to suspend it for like three Big 12 games, then I think it's a fair him making a decision on what he needs to do before the summer middle draft.
Speaker A:And I think that's very fair, you know.
Speaker C:Okay, well you say fuck Texas Tech and I'll say fuck all the SEC schools and the Big Ten schools who say they don't want to schedule Texas Tech in any sport.
Speaker C:Shut.
Speaker A:Oh, I don't disagree with that.
Speaker C:Don't.
Speaker C:Don't try to take the high ground now after all the scandals and stuff your schools have done.
Speaker A:When I heard that, I was like, really?
Speaker A:Like, this is.
Speaker C:Yeah, this is what y' all doing there.
Speaker A:Y' all sound like Notre Dame right now.
Speaker A:That's what y' all sound like.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker A:I said that they sound like Notre Dame being a bunch of.
Speaker A:And so like.
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't think that's right.
Speaker A:I think that's crazy because it's not like we've heard Texas Tech like being a potential rule breaker all the goddamn time.
Speaker A:Hell, nobody knew Texas Tech was like five years ago.
Speaker A:So like that we don't know them.
Speaker C:Because they paying a lot of nil money.
Speaker C:That's why.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So yeah, like, yeah, when I heard that, I was like, that's some old.
Speaker A:Like y' all stupid.
Speaker A:Try to.
Speaker A:Try to.
Speaker A:Try to puff your chest up and then.
Speaker A:Yeah, win to.
Speaker B:We're.
Speaker A:We're what y' all want to be.
Speaker A:Nah, y' all a bunch of crooked too.
Speaker A:So with that being said, I still.
Speaker A:I'm still standing on my statement.
Speaker A:Texas Tech, sometimes you got to do better.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:KV Yako.
Speaker A:Very true.
Speaker A:What if his name was Marquis?
Speaker A:Yep, that's right.
Speaker A:If he was black, we wouldn't be doing.
Speaker A:We wouldn't even be having discussion.
Speaker A:His ass wouldn't even be playing.
Speaker A:That's what it is.
Speaker C:You know, I'm gonna disagree with that because if he was.
Speaker C:If his Marquis, Texas Tech was still wanting to play because like racing got to do.
Speaker C:If you can help a team win, they.
Speaker C:Teams have proven that now public perception might be even harsher on him.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Like the whole.
Speaker C:He went to drug rehab, he went to the gambling rehab doesn't sit as well because don't nobody give a when black people go to rehab half or something because they're just a delinquent.
Speaker C:I mean, I'm just saying traditionally that's true.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:I agree.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:But I think Texas Tech would be like, man, we don't give a what color you are.
Speaker C:If you can help win us some games, bro, bring your gambling ass over here.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, and they gotta.
Speaker A:They got a billionaire backing them.
Speaker A:So here's what it is there.
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